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imron –

Quote:

Do you think if I gave an incentive to do it like 500 or 1,000 yuan, would people be more
interested in doing it?

Haha, well, if I think about how much I can earn per hour as a programmer, multiplied by the
number of hours it would take to complete such a project, then my answer is still no For
comparison, pinyinput (which was a relatively small and simple project), only took about 200 hours
including research, design, development and testing. Back then, I also had both the time and the
desire to write such a program.

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muyongshi –

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Back then, I also had both the time and the desire to write such a program.

As opposed to now where you only have the time but not the desire

roddy –

200 hours is a lot of time. Was there nothing on telly? You should have said, I’d have lent you
some HBO.

I hadn’t imagined it would take that long – all the more kudos for making it available to us all.

imron –

Quote:

As opposed to now where you only have the time but not the desire

Well I don’t have the time now either (have you noticed how long its been between updates?)

Quote:

I hadn’t imagined it would take that long

Haha, well then you’d be like most people (programmers included) when they estimate how long it
takes to write a piece of software. Actually, if you only talk about actual coding time for
Pinyinput, then it would have been about half that. The 200 hours also includes time hunting
around for, and reading the appropriate API documentation, time spent making little test programs
to get a better understanding of APIs (which are poorly documented), time spent in Photoshop
making the icons etc etc. It’s the little things like these that people’s brains tend to gloss
over when doing estimates that together all add up to a significant amount of time.

I’m sure there was stuff on telly, but not having an easy and consistent way to type pinyin was
something that had been bugging me for ages – not that I even write in Pinyin much at all, but
it’s just for those few occasions, it really bugged me to have to open up a web browser, or some
other program just to get the tones.

SWWLiu –

Hi imrom and Roddy:

I just joined this forum a few days ago. I came to it through a Google search on "Structure of
Chinese Characters" and have been fascinated with many of the postings. I read all the threads to
Pinyinput IME today. Thank you, Roddy, for starting the forum — and, imron, for being Admin and
for writing Pinyinput. I used to do a lot of bilingual word processing before the onset of
Unicode, which wiped out all my old "double byte" Chinese word processing systems. I am gingerly
getting back into it, under Unicode. I know several Chinese transliteration systems. I also know
MS Office Suite very well (including the underlying VBA) and will want to try your Pinyinput soon,
imron. I’m primarily a math/science editor and applications programmer (among other things). I try
to stay away from the API’s and IME’s as much as possible, but for Pinyinput, I might just cross
the line, imron. Wish me luck — my laptop runs on Windows XP and I don’t have a lot of free space
left on my hard drive.

By the way, what’s the difference between "Unicode", "Unicode endian", and "UFT-8"? Where can I
find out?

imron –

Quote:

my laptop runs on Windows XP and I don’t have a lot of free space left on my hard drive.

Not to worry, Pinyinput is quite small, and takes up next to no room on your hard disk (~160kb)

Regarding Unicode and the different encoding schemes, endianess and other things, here is a good
place to start.

Tinov –

Hi all,

Pinyinput is great, but would it run on the linux version of the Asus Eee PC? If not, is there
anyone out there looking to make a version that will?

Thanks

Tinov.

imron –

Sorry, Pinyinput is currently Windows only.

crazy-meiguoren –

Quote:

By using Unicode’s combining diacritic marks, it even supports tone marks over consonants, s̄ò
ȳǒù c̀áň w̌řītě āll s̀ōřts̄ ōf čŕāžy̌ s̄tǔff lǐǩě thǐs

A mǒǒse once bit my sister.

OK, I know it’s not the "O" with the slash through it, but I’d thought I have a bit of fun with
some subtitles from a Monty Python movie…

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doumeizhen –

不好意思。

It seems my group of friends is overly polite and are close to abusing "不好意思", and if It
weren’t for the fact that they tend to do it over the phone, I would pinch them. Instead, I need a
response that says: Don’t be 不好意思。(or else…) Of course, I reailze its a cultural thing
to say 不好意思 and I promise I will only use any information given in the rarest of
occasions. So, with that in mind:

I was once told that you can say: 没有这个意思 or 没有什么意思。And then I was told
that this was wrong by someone else.

Any suggestions?

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Quest –

standard responses:
不好意思 excuse me. 什么事?yes?
不好意思 sorry. 没关系。that’s ok.
不好意思 thank you. 没关系。no problem / 不要不好意思,应该的。it’s my
pleasure/it’s my job.

skylee –

I am not sure what you need. But usually the response is 沒關係, though this may not be what
you want.

Fun123 –

If you want to express "Don’t be 不好意思", you can say 没什么不好意思的 or
别那么客气。

doumeizhen –

Yup! That’s what I wanted to know. Basically for those people who are 太不好意思 and use the
saying all the time…

Thank you!

Fun123 –

You are welcome. I’m glad that you got what you wanted.

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digmen1 –

Hi xentropic

I am stratring to teach myself to write basic Chinese.

You will imagine what a marvelous tool your pop up sounds !

I have installed it.

But like the others I need the CEDICT.

I think you should mention this in your description of your program and provide a link to where we
can get it and how we should install it and where, and which version we should download as there
seem to be 3 versions.

Thank you

Kind Regards

Digby
New Zealand

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necroflux –

I made this post in one of the other threads that got deleted, but:

1.01 doesn’t require any dictionaries installed, so no worries about that. This extension is
incredible, it’s simple and fast. That said the dictionary that is included could use some work in
order for the extension to reach its full potential. I’ll see if I can’t help work on the
extension.

In any case this is a must have extension already, even with the dictionary issues. Very useful
stuff.

gato –

I have the extension working, and it is indeed very fast. I haven’t tried it out fully yet, but if
the dictionary is incomplete, maybe you get the Adsotrans dictionary adapted for it. The Adso
dictionary uses the CEDICT dictionary as one of its bases, I believe.

http://www. /showth…ghlight=source
Adso dictionary : open source?
http://www.adsotrans.com/

xentropic –

first, if anyone has download the first version i posted it wont work, so get the one that finally
is posted on mozilla (ver 0.1.1) which will work fine. it has the CEDICT file included

yea if theres more dictionaries it would be easy to add them to the search, even without the
entries you can usually figure out the meaning from going character by character, but ill see what
else is out there

atitarev –

Xentropic,

I PM’ed you. My setup is not working.

Gato, please tell me what you did and how start up this extension.

I also have Rikaichan, maybe that’s why it’s not working, I don’t see it in the tools or context
menus.

gato –

atitarev, xentropic said that since his extension is modified from rikaichan, it can’t currently
coexist with rikaichan due to resource name conflicts. But he’s working on correcting that for the
next release. He said you can work around this for the moment by creating a new profile for
Firefox.

atitarev –

Thanks, Gato. I thought the message was related to version 1.0.

flameproof –

I just installed and tried 0.1.1.

It works perfectly. Did only do a short test so far. Just hat to install from the mozilla site and
nothing else.

https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3349/

Well done!

flameproof –

ok, not that i want to promote my own posting……. but…

I had a look here:

http://www. /showthread.php?t=12706

Post #6 by Quest was:

….
黐线,…..
….

黐 gives some sort of japanese pop up. I can do a screenshot if you can’t get the same result.

But not a big issue though….

nubix –

xentropic, thank you, it is very useful.

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